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NY shale gas rush unlikely in 2013 if gov gives OK

Wall Street Journal -- After more than four years of environmental review marked by escalating battles between industry and anti-drilling protesters, New York regulators appear likely to complete strict new regulations for shale gas development by the end of February.

But it remains to be seen if drilling actually begins. Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his Department of Environmental Conservation have refused to say whether a 4 1/2 -year moratorium on high-volume hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, will be lifted when regulations are completed. Industry insiders say development will happen slowly if the ban is lifted. And opponents have vowed to escalate protests.

With a depressed natural gas market and threats of lawsuits and civil disobedience from opposition groups, a shale gas boom like that seen in Pennsylvania is

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investmentdr Champion Author Cleveland Posts:4,024 Points:1,454,075 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 11:45:33 AM Ignore investmentdr Report Abuse hold out gov.
mitt4prez Champion Author Tacoma Posts:1,742 Points:1,245,225 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 10:40:45 AM Ignore mitt4prez Report Abuse Give the appearanceenow of action and continue stalling.
vandamme Champion Author New York Posts:1,158 Points:132,480 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 10:28:58 AM Ignore vandamme Report Abuse Fracking now would be stupid. Gas is cheap, and the technology is dirty. If they figure out the problems of pollution and quakes, and the price goes up, OK. This is my well water you're talking about. Why give it away and leave the land screwed up for generations? And willow grows fine here.
Ltdc Champion Author Long Island Posts:7,210 Points:1,676,895 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 9:47:33 AM Ignore Ltdc Report Abuse Not much moves quickly through the legislative process in NY.
peabeax55 All-Star Author Atlanta Posts:713 Points:185,515 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:57:48 AM Ignore peabeax55 Report Abuse Are they going to enforce union labor along with its higher costs?
OldMan322 Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,150 Points:1,593,765 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:54:59 AM Ignore OldMan322 Report Abuse Well their are always higher gas prices for New York
oilfreak All-Star Author Houston Posts:687 Points:36,885 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:24:40 AM Ignore oilfreak Report Abuse This is one big opportunity NY state can't afford to reject.
hrtdi All-Star Author Vermont Posts:762 Points:150,615 Joined:Dec 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 8:10:03 AM Ignore hrtdi Report Abuse have to be careful with shale gas...
virostek Veteran Author Virginia Posts:423 Points:90,285 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 7:20:06 AM Ignore virostek Report Abuse OK.
virostek Veteran Author Virginia Posts:423 Points:90,285 Joined:Oct 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 7:19:57 AM Ignore virostek Report Abuse OK.
sydb7 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,557 Points:1,919,005 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 7:05:46 AM Ignore sydb7 Report Abuse Need to be careful with more fracking! More does not equal lower energy costs for New Yorkers.
isem Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,921 Points:422,210 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 7:00:51 AM Ignore isem Report Abuse The protesters are just another bunch of ego-maniacs out to get their “Andy Warhol moment” (15 minutes of fame).
checkum Champion Author St. Louis Posts:7,591 Points:1,474,040 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 7:00:19 AM Ignore checkum Report Abuse just do it SAFELY!
jeskibuff Champion Author Tampa Posts:7,876 Points:1,447,160 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:57:25 AM Ignore jeskibuff Report Abuse ghamm45 said: "It's an elaborate plan by the speculators to amass an abundance of natural gas availability so it can be the reason to export which will raise prices for us, the American consumer." Aw, c'mon...that's one very moronic theory. What right-minded capitalist amasses a commodity only to hold onto it? You drill for fuels in order to sell on the marketplace, to whoever is willing and able to pay for it. You will sell it at the highest price you can get for it, if you're smart.
kyjlh Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,617 Points:651,660 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:54:27 AM Ignore kyjlh Report Abuse Guess NY don't need the job's
Ringmaster2008 Champion Author Ontario Posts:7,573 Points:1,163,560 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:53:36 AM Ignore Ringmaster2008 Report Abuse Time will tell
bsmerl Champion Author Florida Posts:1,088 Points:380,635 Joined:Nov 2004	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:51:18 AM Ignore bsmerl Report Abuse Ok
KentsterPA Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,697 Points:548,900 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:51:05 AM Ignore KentsterPA Report Abuse ok
12mpgnavigator Champion Author Seattle Posts:2,774 Points:650,935 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:51:02 AM Ignore 12mpgnavigator Report Abuse frack it baby!
99dakota Champion Author Providence Posts:8,107 Points:2,172,025 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:50:44 AM Ignore 99dakota Report Abuse We need this
ChristinaCricke Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,737 Points:766,600 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:49:13 AM Ignore ChristinaCricke Report Abuse ok
bikechuck Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:7,006 Points:2,062,145 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:48:05 AM Ignore bikechuck Report Abuse If no profit to be made, it won't happen.
kobes1 Champion Author Florida Posts:2,487 Points:556,635 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:48:00 AM Ignore kobes1 Report Abuse Not
bad_sailor Champion Author London Posts:7,773 Points:1,672,370 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:47:14 AM Ignore bad_sailor Report Abuse Drill baby, drill!
calripken_8 Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,896 Points:658,215 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:47:12 AM Ignore calripken_8 Report Abuse Good job NY, you have all this opportunity and you are determined to resist it... yep sorry I left NY...NOT
blueeye All-Star Author Pennsylvania Posts:763 Points:607,555 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:46:27 AM Ignore blueeye Report Abuse It time to drill
ghmortensen Champion Author Minnesota Posts:1,992 Points:1,668,740 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:45:45 AM Ignore ghmortensen Report Abuse Drill. New York needs the money and the jobs.
dave364 Champion Author Lansing Posts:4,943 Points:1,436,425 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:45:15 AM Ignore dave364 Report Abuse epa go away
jppezz Champion Author New Mexico Posts:8,586 Points:1,691,585 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:43:01 AM Ignore jppezz Report Abuse That's why N.Y.state is broke.No jobs people leaving in droves.
Titan_62 Champion Author Maryland Posts:1,458 Points:327,455 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:41:58 AM Ignore Titan_62 Report Abuse Thanks for posting
bladecutter Champion Author Houston Posts:4,851 Points:983,100 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:40:57 AM Ignore bladecutter Report Abuse Politics & politicians.
dbecks44 Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,342 Points:431,455 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:38:58 AM Ignore dbecks44 Report Abuse The Empire State Strikes Back?
dacofa Champion Author Nevada Posts:5,373 Points:1,148,820 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:38:11 AM Ignore dacofa Report Abuse DAHHHHHHHHHHHH
9C1 Champion Author Chicago Posts:22,854 Points:4,245,610 Joined:Jul 2001	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:34:25 AM Ignore 9C1 Report Abuse At least the people in NY may have good drinking water
subnuke Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,498 Points:1,507,415 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:33:53 AM Ignore subnuke Report Abuse what happens when dems run your state - just look to california
Gibby4176 Rookie Author Illinois Posts:84 Points:280,215 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:33:37 AM Ignore Gibby4176 Report Abuse Happy I don't live in NY; wait, I live in IL...
bowler360 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,970 Points:498,800 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:33:29 AM Ignore bowler360 Report Abuse hmmmm.
harleydoctor Champion Author Kansas Posts:7,340 Points:1,927,610 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:32:13 AM Ignore harleydoctor Report Abuse New York is one messed up state, eh doomberg...
VetteFan Champion Author Indiana Posts:9,734 Points:2,027,505 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:31:46 AM Ignore VetteFan Report Abuse I hate to say it, but it's a wait and see thing. Now fracking seems safe enough. Will we still say that 5, 10, or 20 years from now?
03mdx Champion Author Syracuse Posts:4,735 Points:1,523,885 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:31:36 AM Ignore 03mdx Report Abuse NY needs to get going with this.
gabisgram Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,191 Points:911,275 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:30:18 AM Ignore gabisgram Report Abuse Power has gone to their heads.
fillerupyeoww Champion Author Columbus Posts:5,874 Points:1,648,465 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:28:31 AM Ignore fillerupyeoww Report Abuse The correct approach. If this is allowed to run amuck, it would ruin the state for future development, jobs, etc.
chillyman3 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,355 Points:423,640 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:26:56 AM Ignore chillyman3 Report Abuse old story new state
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rogerparry Champion Author Florida Posts:9,555 Points:1,915,455 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:24:38 AM Ignore rogerparry Report Abuse Painfully slow.
Clayton2000 Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,404 Points:489,230 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:24:37 AM Ignore Clayton2000 Report Abuse NY Lose
lindact Champion Author New Haven Posts:8,731 Points:1,715,995 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:22:55 AM Ignore lindact Report Abuse Feacking...what a legacy for future generations... [Edited by: lindact at 12/26/2012 6:24:34 AM EST]
sawdust1825 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:837 Points:435,680 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:22:55 AM Ignore sawdust1825 Report Abuse What a shame that the state blocks something that will benefit all of it's residents.
bumpygas Champion Author Nebraska Posts:8,126 Points:1,900,130 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:21:33 AM Ignore bumpygas Report Abuse Just get the government out of it entirely and things will go a lot smoother.
GasPriceHelp4u Champion Author Dayton Posts:2,682 Points:567,825 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 26, 2012 6:21:23 AM Ignore GasPriceHelp4u Report Abuse They have to wait for it to happen, its not going to be overnight!!!