drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2012 1:33:49 PM
LOL, poor letemeatthecake, so upset at the facts exposing the flaws of these 'reports'.
Always know, the truth shall set you free!
[Edited by: drpepperTX at 12/2/2012 1:37:15 PM EST]
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scubadaniel

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 11:38:35 PM
Look at the raw data. Every study that finds issues with fracking to date have been faked.
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LetemEatCake

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 10:38:26 PM
Pop from TX...you posted almost the same verbiage yesterday on this article...it didn't get a rise then...what makes you think it would today?
Still vibrating I see.
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 5:34:27 PM
"How can the water and grass that the cattle feed on NOT be impacted when mixtures of chemicals are infused into the ground?" =================== Because the mixture is used up to a mile or more beneath the surface.
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RevDrCBJ

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Ann Arbor
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 11:09:54 AM
How can the water and grass that the cattle feed on NOT be impacted when mixtures of chemicals are infused into the ground?
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gs7101

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 7:18:47 AM
Not good!
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CdnLynx

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:53:56 AM
These two gentlemen (Vet and a molecular med scientest) have compiled documented proof to cattle dying in the fields on, or in close proximity to fracking and its chemicals. These were a direct correlation of living cattle being affected by fracking; not a contamination of our food supply. Cattle don't become part of the food supply until they are rendered and processed by meat processing units; this is where contamination of our food supply would occur. Cattle dying in the open grazing fields is far different then contamination of our food supply!
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:34:39 AM
There's an excellent explanation on the flaws of this 'report' Here.
A quick excerpt: "The central thesis of the article is that shale development, including hydraulic fracturing, is contaminating the food we eat. As the author states early on, “there’s growing evidence that these two impulses, toward energy and food independence, may be at odds with each other.”
From there, the story advances as one would imagine. Using the fatally flawed Bamberger-Oswald “study” on hydraulic fracturing as the focal point, the author weaves a carefully constructed narrative that does everything from repeating common (and debunked) activist talking points to claiming America’s cows are being poisoned to death by oil and natural gas development."
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pgerassi

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:10:16 AM
Not here.
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BeanoLI

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:08:23 AM
Sounds like more scare tactics from the EPA and their greenies.
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naspa

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:08:20 AM
Stop fracking.
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Batman302

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:08:18 AM
When they pump dangerous chemicals into the ground, do they think they are just going to disappear?
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1fulltank

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:04:19 AM
There goes the price of beef.
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gwill76

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:03:23 AM
Don't stand behind the cow unless you are a big fan of methane...
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PrinceLH

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:02:02 AM
Speculation?
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FlyNFool

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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2012 12:00:16 AM
oops
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oldiesman

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:57:28 PM
Yeah right?
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Vette1967

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:57:25 PM
Okay..just the beginning.
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bonzoonfmb

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Florida
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:56:37 PM
Feed the cows bottled water.
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s6sputnik

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Austin
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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:54:37 PM
I guess it must be true!
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WIPACKERFAN

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:54:25 PM
Not good.
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comprof

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:53:54 PM
"Elevated levels of benzene, methane, chloroform, butane, propane, toluene and xylene. Talking about selective targeting of data for political purposes. There is not a biological, chemical, histilogical, or electron microscopic laboratory at any high school, college, medical facility, chemistry lab., research laboratory, electron microscopy facility, or coroners lab. in the country that does not have extremely high levels of some are all of these chemicals plus many more equally dangerous compounds. I guess we need to close down all of these facilities as well. Another "global warming" type political tactic by environmental kooks.
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drz614

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:49:11 PM
ask monsanto. i m sure they might have some insight
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Godozo

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:48:34 PM
One: I have to wonder whether the Frackers are doing shortcut after shortcut with these new methods. If it's true that they've been fracking in Texas over sixty years without a dead cow, then there should be safety measures taken that would be gold standards for frackers all over the nation.
Two: Do we honestly know what we're doing with this stuff? Since we're busting rocks a few miles underground, what if much of the Natural Gas and other stuff is escaping upward through cracks made by the fracking process. Cracks that may escape their targeted area and reach up to more porous rocks that transport the stuff to the surface.
Three: Ever think about what fracking does? We're talking solid rock being turned into jagged stone that is under extreme pressure from above. Any wonder there's strange earthquakes suddenly showing up across the nation? (and I'm not talking about Youngstown, where they've been burying wastewater in a fault zone, making it slippery again....)
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SavALot

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:47:49 PM
this has to raise some concern
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wz

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:46:21 PM
What they have is a call for investigation. Begin a controlled study to find out what kind of exposure is harmful, and at what levels. Then set standards for ground, water, and air contamination. Also try to determine at what levels meat and dairy contamination should be labelled as potentially harmful.
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suzmar

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:43:09 PM
Sounds like a bunch of bull, they have been fracking in our area for decades, no livestock illness here.
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mstearno

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:41:46 PM
won't matter soon in socialism there will be no need for fracking
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WIWalt

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:41:11 PM
If they have nothing to hide why do they have a no disclosure clause
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Ticoman54

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:38:31 PM
Good point geoutpb.
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teafortwo

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:37:29 PM
Follow the money.
Fewer safeguards = bigger profits
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Mopar4me

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:37:08 PM
Another left wing conspiracy theory.
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GoneUpAgain

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:36:38 PM
Makes complete sense. With the water being polluted too it's only a matter of time before people start getting sick and dying as well, if it isn't already happening.
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DEG

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:35:16 PM
So Obama will probably push for more fracking.
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esorsd

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:34:50 PM
Sounds a little far fetched to me.
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1COR1533

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:34:30 PM
oh well
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Palantas

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:33:52 PM
Bummer.
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geoutpb

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:32:48 PM
Then have been fracturing wells in Texas for sixty years, never Haida cow get sick. Had some run over but never sick, had cattle with in 10 feet of wells, never had a sick cow.
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GNo1

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:32:07 PM
Hogwash! Pun intended...
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knot2swift

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:31:03 PM
Clearly "Transparency" is required when it comes to "Fracking"
Sure Colonel Sanders is dead but his secrets live on. I think KFC survives on "Shake N Bake" plus a couple of other ingredients...LMAO.
But if "Fracking" is to be excepted, than all must be revealed in the process. Nothing like "Full Disclosure" to stop all doubts.
As for Kentucky Fried MSG...I don't know. It tastes great but always puts me to sleep. Somehow manufactured Mono Sodium Glutamate's slow down my system
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hcivic

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:30:46 PM
oh no, just what we dont need
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drpepperTX

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:29:45 PM
From the "sensational" story - "Fracking proponents criticize Bamberger and Oswald’s paper as a political, not a scientific, document. “They used anonymous sources, so no one can verify what they said,” said Steve Everley, of the industry lobby group Energy In Depth. The authors didn’t provide a scientific assessment of impacts -- testing what specific chemicals might do to cows that ingest them, for example -- so treating their findings as scientific, he continues, “is laughable at best, and dangerous for public debate at worst.” Bamberger and Oswald acknowledge this lack of scientific assessment..."
Interesting eh? Lack of scientific assessment eh?
A couple of points need to be made. If livestock are exposed to surface contamination the drill companies are in violation of current regulations anyway. And if livestock is managing to crawl down a well bore 5000' deep into the frac zone, we got more things to worry about! ;^}
Looks like the witch hunts continue.
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REKEY

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:28:46 PM
Nothing wrong with frac, frac, ack, ack!
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milespergallon

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:25:25 PM
Hyper junk
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serrog

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:23:02 PM
Here we go again
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The_DR

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:22:29 PM
That's too bad.
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nofaz

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:21:47 PM
It's a sign of the Apocalypse I tell ya!! Good grief! 'While scientists have yet to isolate cause and effect'. Someone is trying to sell newspapers.
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Dragnet

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:20:06 PM
Are we talking about the Laborers working there?
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toadNY

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:19:37 PM
The Big Question is Who's telling the Truth?
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wulf2000

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Message Posted: Nov 30, 2012 11:17:38 PM
From the Environment Reporting Network.
Just consider the source.
With the echo chamber in the media who does anyone believe?
This news source is not for fracking and want to shut it down.
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