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Ford talking to EPA about hybrids' fuel economy

ap -- Ford said Friday that it's talking to the government about the fuel economy of its hybrid cars after a report suggested they're falling short of targets.

Consumer Reports said last week that Ford's new C-Max hybrid didn't meet the published fuel economy of 47 miles per gallon, averaging 38 miles per in the magazine's testing. Other hybrids — including the Ford Fusion and Toyota Prius V — have also fallen short in the magazine's tests.

Ford said it followed the Environmental Protection Agency's guidelines when it set its fuel economy standards. But the EPA's hybrid tests don't exactly mimic real-world driving. For example, Consumer Reports said it measures highway fuel use for a car going 65 miles per hour, but the EPA's highway test speed averages 48 mph.

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SkooterG
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 10:36:53 PM

Sounds like the EPA hybrid testing protocol isn't very 'real world' accurate. Why is it any different than a normal car's testing protocol? Hybrid or not, all cars are driven on the same roads.
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honda0105
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 7:45:18 AM

none of the vehicles tested have met the published fuel economy. Why? B/c these things aren't tested under real life conditions. The vehicles are driven on a test road, then the figures are extrapolated.
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tomok
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 3:10:30 AM

Ford talking to EPA about hybrids' fuel economy and all EPA tests and measurements should be done at standard highway speeds of 55mph. Consumer Reports have been around a long time and they KNOW what they are talking about for good vehicles and for true mph and mpg testing! Find out what the good vehicles are - new or used.
EPA Fuel Economy? Talk to Hyundia and Kia about their EPA fuel economy!
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
XII/XXII/MMXII!
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NedW
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 2:55:57 AM

Well put, danindenver.
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danindenver
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 1:29:41 AM

"talking to the government"

Reading between the lines: "government" means "politicians" and, well you know, they say "money talks" - soooooo....

Not saying that I blame Ford, at all.
Bill Gates learned his lesson when the "government" came after him for being a monopoly because he gained a whopping 30+% of the free browser market (I said the FREE browser market).

Nowadays, companies recognize that they have to have lobbyists in DC that watch the pols and protect their interests. Very sad that we can't just have a society where the government protects our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

I mean, I thought that paying off corrupt government officials was something that only happened in socialist countries.

Oh!
Riiiiight.


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snky2k
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:15:36 AM

Apples to Oranges.
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ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:12:26 AM

The EPA goals may be unrealistic.
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unicornpmb
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:07:56 AM

Both are probably right.
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CarefreeVT
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:07:56 AM

old news. Is there anyway to accurately check these measurements within a .0001% margin of error?

[Edited by: CarefreeVT at 12/16/2012 12:09:02 AM EST]
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boatfloyd
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:07:47 AM

Who too believe?
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rahcat
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:07:35 AM

In a perfect world the EPA wouldn't exist.
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HA4CNN
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:07:26 AM

Everyone needs to get a little more honest.
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Glock26
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:07:05 AM

O.K.
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:05:37 AM

Old post
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cheaper0ON
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:04:45 AM

Ok.
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hpmossii
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:04:13 AM

MPG estimates are about as accurate a measure of vehicle mileage as property assessments are to home market values.
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:03:40 AM

Most cars are in that category.
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:03:32 AM

ok
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:02:22 AM

sketch
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Message Posted: Dec 16, 2012 12:02:15 AM

Redic
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:57:11 PM

The EPA czars are at it again. Long overdue to abolish these idiots.
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JaegerWMeister
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:56:55 PM

Uh oh, is there a flaw in the system?
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:56:51 PM

The EPA is a joke, it needs to be abolished.
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Tekkersmom57
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:56:03 PM

48 Mph doesn't seem like a fair comparison. When do most of us average that speed?
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:54:06 PM

My buick gets it's best gas milage at about 80 mph. ( out west)
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RAC110
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:49:22 PM

ford use to be great years ago but they have had a lot of problems the last few years but i still like fords
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NAVYHM
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:48:09 PM

OK...
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:45:27 PM

It's all about that little number called CAFE...
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:41:29 PM

Ford has issues and has cut some corners.... i use to own some good ones now they are getting cheaper thinner plastic etc.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:41:20 PM

Ditto to listerone. We need more diesel options.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:35:26 PM

I like Ford :)
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:35:25 PM

I want a diesel hybrid...55mpg!
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:34:34 PM

Stop calculating MPG's. The measure is obsolete. Calculate instead the price per mile or PPM. This allows you to compare hybrid, EV, CNG, diesel, and gasoline engines.

Diesel is higher, but generally provides more power and better fuel efficiency. EV's don't use gas at all, so a "gallon" measure is ridiculous from the start.

PPM (or PPKm in Canada) provides a consistent baseline for all energy sources, MONEY.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:31:53 PM

Opps, 48 mph on the highway ?
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:31:38 PM

EPA should be jailing these people, not talking.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:29:20 PM

Their talking to the Epilepsy Patient Administration?
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:26:56 PM

Cool
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:25:12 PM

ok
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:25:09 PM

Ok
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:23:21 PM

Talking to the wrong people. EPA doesn't have a clue. Need to talk with consumers
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:23:09 PM

Maybe the EPA was doing usual Obama Administration overstating the mileage like they over play everything to make themselves look good like 7.5% unemployment while reality is more like 15% or more when have simply dropped all the people who THEY SAY are no longer unemployed because they have supposedly stopped looking for work.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:22:18 PM

lost me at EPA.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:16:44 PM

OK
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:08:16 PM

If I were an automobile manufacturer, I would make sure the fuel economy were right on the nose. The reputation and trust of the consumer is on the line. I believe Americans are looking for products they can trust and believe in.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:07:30 PM

About time folks!
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:07:20 PM

EPA mileage ratings never match reality and the driver also can make a great difference in mileage. I have never bought a vehicle because of the rated mileage, I buy the ones that are capable of doing what I need safely.
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:03:10 PM

old
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kbierley
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:02:36 PM

EPA doesn't think about the "Real" World.
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wayoung56
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:01:03 PM

Hmmm...
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PetroScopper
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2012 11:00:08 PM

There are definitely some discrepancies here. Whether or not Ford is actually wrong remains to be determined, but they certainly should be made aware of the fact that someone is watching and checking.
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