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Black boxes in cars raise privacy concerns

Anchorage Daily News -- By JOAN LOWY — Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Many motorists don't know it, but it's likely that every time they get behind the wheel, there's a snitch along for the ride.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on Friday proposed long-delayed regulations requiring auto manufacturers to include event data recorders - better known as "black boxes" - in all new cars and light trucks beginning Sept. 1, 2014. But the agency is behind the curve. Automakers have been quietly tucking the devices, which automatically record the actions of drivers and the responses of their vehicles in a continuous information loop, into most new cars for years.

When a car is involved in a crash or when its airbags deploy, inputs from the vehicle's sensors during the 5 to 10 seconds before impact are


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honda0105
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2012 6:04:23 AM

just like we found ways to "jail break" phones, we outta "crack" those boxes if they become mandatory. Too much Big Brother for me...
bston
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 4:41:33 PM

Guess we need to go buy older vehicles before they started putting them in!
qwerty17
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 3:47:04 PM

some are more equal than others.
UncleBill
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 10:17:05 AM



More info here'
ropegun11
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 3:30:44 AM

...Since this article made me wonder if my own vehicle contains an event data recorder, I searched and found a list of Event Data Recorder Equipped Vehicles in the link below:

Crashteams: Event Data Recorder Equipped Vehicles
ExplorerWA
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:35:32 AM

And maybe it will be mandatory that you take the black box everywhere you go including your home bathroom. Should be OK if your not breaking the law, right?
GasPasserAB
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 1:34:06 AM

Not my vehicle
jetskijerry
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:57:40 AM

big brother
jetskijerry
Champion Author North Carolina

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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:57:29 AM

They've been in use for years!
cwashi3324
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:16:25 AM

They've been in cars and trucks for many years. My '96 Plymouth Breeze had one, as did my 2003 Blazer and 2006 Chev Trailblazer. If you go to the NHTSA.gov website, they can tell you exactly where the box is located in your vehicle. That's how I found out, when looking up recalls on my Plymouth.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:15:12 AM

I hope you enjoy driving 1970s vintage Detroit iron, @veemotors. Anything newer than that has electronics built in.
Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:12:09 AM

Your freedom ends at my car bumper, @clermont40miles.

When anyone causes a fatal accident, I hope the cops use the data from their car to send them to jail.

And if you're speeding or driving recklessly and cause a crash, the insurance company should use that data to deny your claim. They're not in the business of covering for lawbreakers.
Buddy2264
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:09:41 AM

I am guessing it is the same with those chips some insurance companies want you to plug in for a discount.
cheaper0ON
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:06:00 AM

Ok.
jrsva
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:05:33 AM


I’ve been trying to find out if our car has an EDR ever since this story broke a few days ago. I went thru 5 pages of a Google search without success. Maybe GB can help with some research and put it in a blog post. Subaru Forester, 2010; pretty new car, probably has the damn thing.
alaric76
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:04:17 AM

putting it mildly. This is serious!
UpSol7
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:02:57 AM

5 to 10 seconds, hardly big brother
rahcat
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:02:09 AM

"1984" in 2012
MrPony
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2012 12:00:24 AM

Not in my car!!!!!
SavALot
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:56:35 PM

big brother spying on us again
gilfarm
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:55:24 PM

To much Government!
clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:55:18 PM

Privacy is an old fashioned notion.

1984 Orwellian world of Obamabots makes that a fantasy.

Another avenue of controlling us evil American citizens. Make that American subjects to King BHO.
Marson
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:54:30 PM

Interesting information, sounds like privacy vs. Big Brother.
TTQuattro
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:51:34 PM

not in my car!!!
VikingWoman
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:51:15 PM

Just be sure the black boxes are in the cars the dogs are driving. lol

A form of these black boxes have been in rental cars for years so when you told the rental company you weren't driving it out of state and you did you got busted. We all should have known it was a matter of time before they would be in all cars.

They could be very useful if they used them to break up the drug cartels and solve crimes.
rf6480
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:50:46 PM

no black box, no dealer or manufacture installed GPS tracking device

[Edited by: rf6480 at 12/9/2012 11:52:06 PM EST]
Chris46
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:47:56 PM

How about school buses? Have you seen the way some of these people drive? I wouldn't trust my child on one!
goldisc
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:47:14 PM

Also having a Bluetooth sensor that detects DRIVER cell phone usage...
suzmar
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:46:22 PM

I want to keep government and insurance companies out of my car.
Bezalel
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:45:50 PM

How about the people who fail to yield, go around, brake, and turn, etc. that CAUSE someone else to have an accident?
mstearno
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:45:17 PM

they should
Gas Thirsty
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:43:57 PM

Putting black boxes in public transportation like buses and trains wouldn't be a bad idea.
monarch57
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:41:43 PM

Big brother is watching.
dcjauburn
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:38:29 PM

If you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to fear. It could reduce accidents and help explain how some accidents happen.
If it makes the roads safer I am all for it.
abacus44
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:37:31 PM

Big Brother strikes again.
DrLyon
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:34:59 PM

Protections on what is recorded and released are needed...
gd83goldwinger
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:29:37 PM

Sneaky sneaky I feel a right being stepped on.
BREW9
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:28:11 PM

big bro driving
WillyG
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:26:20 PM

Ya think ?
skybiker
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:25:11 PM

Nanny Government stay outta my car!
kbierley
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:25:05 PM

That is all we need. NOT!
texashoudini
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:22:55 PM

I agree.
MG_Sputnik
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:14:34 PM

Black boxes are in "commuter" jets among others. Our cars for the most part are privately owned.
seahawks
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:13:59 PM

true statement, more government control!!!
downstream
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:12:04 PM

it's called "evidence"
JettaKnight
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:10:09 PM

kissafrog4: That's exactly what most posters here seemed to miss. It also applies to drunk drivers having to take a breathalyzer. Either that or a blood test at the station (and calculating how much blood alcohol was in your system when pulled-over based upon the standardized rate of alcohol elimination by the body).
When public safety is at risk, you have very few rights.
grandamgt1
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:09:54 PM

all in favor of the 5 to 10 seconds before a crash, any more recording than that is a huge privacy concern.
abcdMA
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:09:00 PM

more big brother
rawdog1313
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:07:23 PM

Don't need!
veemotors
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:07:20 PM

i wont have a car with all that electronic crap in it. they wont track me down.
StickySam
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2012 11:06:28 PM

Big brother gone too far!
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