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Black boxes in cars likely to become standard

Autoweek -- Most people are aware of event data recorders, commonly called “black boxes,” in airplanes. Many people don't realize a variety of passenger cars also have these devices -- and they may be mandatory for 2015 model year cars.

There are black boxes in about 96 percent of cars for the 2013 model year, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. So having them in all cars isn't a big change, but along with that mandatory ruling will likely come some additional parameters for what data is collected and how it is shared. The details are what have civil-rights groups and some legislators concerned.

The use of black boxes in cars is not new. They've actually been in vehicles for more than 20 years as a way for automakers to access information about the car's movement ...


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Submitted Dec 19, 2012 By: BurntOrange
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mashfund
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Message Posted: Dec 24, 2012 9:55:11 PM

The National Motorists Association ) has had recent articles and discussions about who "owns" the data and there are many discussions that are inconclusive as of yet: the government, or the owner of the car, owns the data?
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tomok
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 10:50:50 AM

Black boxes in cars likely to become standard, those black boxes have been in vehicles for many years. The black boxes are recording whatever and don't expect it to get any better!
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, vehicle manufactures Produce and the population ‘Drives’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
XII/XXII/MMXII!
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gravityhurts
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 7:28:16 AM

If you own a car that a 2010 or newer its already on board. Silly consumers. This isn't new.
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52MPG
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:47:12 AM

I would say at 96 percent already they are mostly a standard.
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geminijax
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:24:58 AM

This is nothing but Big Brother. Watch out for black boxes in homes next. They will be free of charge to the "less fortunate", paid for by additional surcharges/taxes on the "rich", so the politicos in DC can determine if your lifestyle is "extravagant", leading to an "extravagance tax".

The idiots in charge in DC are all about wealth distribution. That is, OUR wealth, not theirs!
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rsox67
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:15:22 AM

Not a big deal as long as you drive well.
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Darwin00
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:09:30 AM

I agree, this is big brother!
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rahcat
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:05:57 AM

More and more BIG BROTHER!
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suzmar
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:04:18 AM

This is not a good idea, I don't want the government or insurance companies looking at my every move. Way too intrusive.
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yakstar
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:04:07 AM

us pilots in our cars feel better!
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Cashless
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Message Posted: Dec 20, 2012 12:02:43 AM

This news is going to upset most everyone.

[Edited by: Cashless at 12/20/2012 12:07:21 AM EST]
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cheaper0ON
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:58:55 PM

Hmmm...
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SparkieMi
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:56:12 PM

This is not good...
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nehemiah
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:55:05 PM

not sure it is a good idea
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CCLighthouse
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:54:26 PM

I don't like the idea!
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clermont40miles
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:51:43 PM

More snooping and peeping.
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gasmack
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:48:43 PM

As long as privacy rights are protected and data collected is used to save lives in safer vehicles...do it.
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mstearno
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:44:59 PM

I'm sure the nanny state would love that
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:41:24 PM

big bro
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CityCouponer
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:41:22 PM

Full disclosure as to what data can be collected and how that data can be used is an absolute MUST for these devices.

[Edited by: CityCouponer at 12/19/2012 11:46:05 PM EST]
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OGW
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:38:02 PM

Old news, they have been in many since the early 2000's and the court often asks us to remove them from vehicles we towed and deliver them to the courts when the vehicle is involved in a fatal crash.
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Timons
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:37:08 PM

Lawyers will have a field-day with this new technology. Drivers will suddenly become more culpable for their actions.
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Gazstation
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:34:28 PM

About the plains? What color the black boxes are?
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BlewettCA
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:34:10 PM

i'll rip mine out noone will track me
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bvrbill
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:33:31 PM

Access of info needs to be controlled and limited.
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gd83goldwinger
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:30:25 PM

It the way of new tech. One of the insurance companies are doing the same thing for lower insurance. More of our private lives taken.
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TheSnowstorm
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:30:04 PM

From the article: "Regardless of the data being collected, the information is typically considered to belong to the car owner or lessee, and, generally, the owner needs to give permission for its use, or there needs to be a warrant for the data to be released."

I agree with being able to analyze data to further improve the safety features/technology of a vehicle, but the release of data to third parties (insurance companies, law enforcement and others) must be absolutely clarified and regulated to protect the privacy of the individual.
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Alfied
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:29:44 PM

Why not?
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oppdetcon
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:29:19 PM

OK...
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bady777
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:27:57 PM

Ok
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SandeeC
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:26:13 PM

I totally agree with you mcmonsta.
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mcmonsta
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:25:01 PM

in some accidents it would be very important info...but whose info is it anyway? we don't need too much of big brother but with so many uncaring or irresponsible peolpe maybe....?
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WIPACKERFAN
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:24:11 PM

Big brother will always win.
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Brucevanf
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:23:32 PM

very true 5golfer8
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5Golfer8
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:17:51 PM

Just refuse to buy these vehicles and they will change. I will keep driving my old technology vehicle.
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DustyHorse
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:16:47 PM

Seems a little big brotherish.
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goodbuy
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:07:05 PM

Been in GM? cars for over 17 years.
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:05:06 PM

Good
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drobbbb
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:04:37 PM

long as it dont invade our privacy
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jrsva
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:04:32 PM

“More NoBama craziness, part of his plan to make us a vassal state . . .”

Come on Wayoung, give it a rest. President Barack Obama won re-election by a significant margin. He is your president as well as mine and will be for the next 4 years. Now is the time to stop the childish, disparaging word games with his name and pay respect to the Office of the President, even if you do not like its current occupant. The time will come when someone you approve of will hold this office, at which time you will not appreciate this sort of trash talk.

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jrsva
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:01:19 PM

When I first heard about event data recorders I had thoughts of Big Brother, similar to a lot of the comments here. This is what Road & Track said about them:

“An automotive EDR stores vehicle and occupant information in that brief period (seconds, not minutes) before, during and after airbag deployment. Think of a 15-second data spool being continuously monitored and—only in the event of a serious crash—being captured in memory, typically part of airbag-management electronics.

“The primary purpose of an EDR is to assess automotive safety hardware; specifically, to gauge the efficacy of airbags and their deployment strategies. Succinctly, if an airbag doesn't go off, the EDR has nothing to report.”

These statements make the concept a whole lot less scary IMO.

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wayoung56
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 11:00:54 PM

More NoBama craziness, part of his plan to make us a vassal state to the Muslim nations, I think he used Soviet mind control techniques to make Adam Lanza go on his killing spree to help him put new gun control laws in place.

Once he does that, the First Amendment will be thrown out and then the 22nd, then he will set himself up as a dictator...
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rampower80
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:59:40 PM

Big Brother is officially tracking your every movement.
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txkrb
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:55:18 PM

Per knot2swift
"Still...After over 600,000 miles in my life time, I've gone past many an accident scene already seeing who did what wrong after witnessing many horrific accidents."

What does this mean

"Young idiot cops waste hours investigating tying the road up for hours. Meanwhile...My son in law who is almost a full fledged "Auto Body Man" would love the job. I'm sure he could wrap up the scene in half the time! "

Next time you need a policeman call your idiot son-in-law instead

Your nickname is appropriate
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hubhunts
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:51:34 PM

Just something else to increase cost!
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southrob
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:49:49 PM

dhan and it will help
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FrankTA2
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:48:05 PM

If you are not breaking the law, you should not be concern.
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Paw5X
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:45:24 PM

Why not??
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Blue48
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:44:22 PM

WE SHALL SEE HOW IT GOES!
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Beaveronparade
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Message Posted: Dec 19, 2012 10:42:50 PM

I'm all for the black boxes. They are especially helpful when it's not clear who is at fault in an accident.
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